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John The Younger Cushing

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Parents

Père	Date de naissance	Mère	Date de naissance
JOHN Cushing Sr CU01	6 Nov 1470	Alice Clive (Cushing)	15/05/1475

Conjoints

Conjoint	Date de naissance	Enfants
Rose (Cushing)	abt 1496	Edward Cushing Ethelreda Cushing
Cecily Tillsy	ABT 1497

Événements personnels

Type d’événement	Date	Lieu	Description
Naissance	1496	Hardingham, Norfolk, England
Lieu de résidence		Stalworthy in Wymondham	Flockthorpe Manor, Markhams in Tothington
Décès	11 MAY 1539	Hardingham, Norfolk, England

Notes


most of the estates in the fmaily seem to have gone with daus and grand daus to other families- see James S Cushing extract James says John was Lord of Flockthorpe, in Hardingham, Markhams in Tothington and Stalworthy in Wymondham. Will dated 13.5.1532 and proved at Prerogative Court London 11.5.1532 Marriage also 12.3.1497 acc to Family Search Pin #316956 on CD#135 See also email below: Philip I love your persistent challenges. It keeps me on my toes. First off, I do believe that both girls in question were named Alice Clive. I believe this was a transposing error that has never been corrected for all these years, and that is why Alice Cuve's parents were never found. There are a few references to a father named Richard Cuve Esq, but I have been unable to determine its validity. However, there is ample evidence to support Thomas and Margaret Cliveas the parents of Alice Clive b: 15 May 1475. So that is why I have revised my data somewhat. The other Alice Clive b: abt 1474, abt 1481, abt 1496, et al are all personal guesses made by the individuals offering the information. None of them has any supportable evidence.The ABT is the big clue that the dates are estimated. Quite often nowadays some gedcoms leave that important piece of information out. The dates are based on John (Cushyn, Cushying) Cushing's birth of abt 1496. It is common practice to add 4 years to approximate the wife's birthdate and 20 years from her birth to determine the birth of her first child. Each additional child is given an extra 2 years grace from the previous one. This process just helps to pinpoint possible marriages and actual birthdates later on. Something else I have been checking up on is that the first Alice Clive may have been adopted by Richard Cuve and thus the ensuing confusion. Also another possibility is that she was previously married to a Cuve (if indeed they are avalid family). I still prefer to believe that Clive is the proper surname (because of Thomas and Margaret) although I have even seen Olive and Cuve suggested. All I have on John's will is: He married first, Alice, daughter of Richard CLIVE of Hingham, and second, Rose___. His will was dated 13 March 1532 and proved in Prerogative Court, London, 11 May 1532. From this I determined that his first wife Alice Clive died after the birth of Edmund in about 1522/23 as he was married to Rose at the time of his death. But, why on earth is his death date recorded as 11 May 1539 and not 1532? This is another boondoggle that needs fixing. Regards Warren Cushing --- On Fri,9/11/09, Philip Cushing >wrote: From: Philip Cushing > Subject: RE: Alice Clive ADDENDA To: "'wr cushing'" > Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 9:57 AM Thanks. I dont want to be a pedant(!) but are we now saying there is an Alice Clive and an Alice Cuve or two Alice Clives? Can I please see a copy or an extract of Johns will, referred to as evidence of different dod? When I looked at Ancestral File number HO9Z-VW forAlice Cuve, I found the original dob of 1474 , not your revised dob ofabt 1481. Can you please tell me what your source is to change dob,...and dod is? Visited Hardingham and Hingham earlier this week-Hingham church particularly nice. No legible gravestones. Spoke to Henry Edwards, local squire, whose family are heavily featured in the Hardingham Church (5 generations local). No knowledge of any actual Cushings in Hardingham but a trust called the Atkins and Cushen trust made a donation to the church within the last 100 years. Other than that, nothing. Its also a sad state of affairs to see one vicar covering 11 parish churches! Off to Norfolk Records office in 10 days time Best wishes
I have a will that is from John (Cushyn) Cushing, eldest son of John Cushing. Lord of the manors of Flockthorpe in his native place, Markhams in Tothington, and Stalworthy in Wymondham.He married, first, Alice daughter of Richard Clive of Hingham, and second Rose----- . His will is dated 13 March 1532, and was proved in the Prerogative Court, London, 11 May 1532.

most of the estates in the fmaily seem to have gone with daus and grand daus to other families- see James S Cushing extract

James says John was Lord of Flockthorpe, in Hardingham, Markhams in Tothington and Stalworthy in Wymondham. Will dated 13.5.1532 and proved at Prerogative Court London 11.5.1532

Marriage also 12.3.1497 acc to Family Search Pin #316956 on CD#135

See also email below:

Philip I love your persistent challenges. It keeps me on my toes. First off, I do believe that both girls in question were named Alice Clive. I believe this was a transposing error that has never been corrected for all these years, and that is why Alice Cuve's parents were never found. There are a few references to a father named Richard Cuve Esq, but I have been unable to determine its validity. However, there is ample evidence to support Thomas and Margaret Cliveas the parents of Alice Clive b: 15 May 1475. So that is why I have revised my data somewhat. The other Alice Clive b: abt 1474, abt 1481, abt 1496, et al are all personal guesses made by the individuals offering the information. None of them has any supportable evidence.The ABT is the big clue that the dates are estimated. Quite often nowadays some gedcoms leave that important piece of information out. The dates are based on John (Cushyn, Cushying) Cushing's birth of abt 1496. It is common practice to add 4 years to approximate the wife's birthdate and 20 years from her birth to determine the birth of her first child. Each additional child is given an extra 2 years grace from the previous one. This process just helps to pinpoint possible marriages and actual birthdates later on. Something else I have been checking up on is that the first Alice Clive may have been adopted by Richard Cuve and thus the ensuing confusion. Also another possibility is that she was previously married to a Cuve (if indeed they are avalid family). I still prefer to believe that Clive is the proper surname (because of Thomas and Margaret) although I have even seen Olive and Cuve suggested. All I have on John's will is: He married first, Alice, daughter of Richard CLIVE of Hingham, and second, Rose___. His will was dated 13 March 1532 and proved in Prerogative Court, London, 11 May 1532. From this I determined that his first wife Alice Clive died after the birth of Edmund in about 1522/23 as he was married to Rose at the time of his death. But, why on earth is his death date recorded as 11 May 1539 and not 1532? This is another boondoggle that needs fixing.

Regards Warren Cushing --- On Fri,9/11/09, Philip Cushing >wrote:
From: Philip Cushing >
Subject: RE: Alice Clive ADDENDA
To: "'wr cushing'" >
Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 9:57 AM

Thanks. I dont want to be a pedant(!) but are we now saying there is an Alice Clive and an Alice Cuve or two Alice Clives? Can I please see a copy or an extract of Johns will, referred to as evidence of different dod? When I looked at Ancestral File number HO9Z-VW forAlice Cuve, I found the original dob of 1474 , not your revised dob ofabt 1481. Can you please tell me what your source is to change dob,...and dod is? Visited Hardingham and Hingham earlier this week-Hingham church particularly nice. No legible gravestones. Spoke to Henry Edwards, local squire, whose family are heavily featured in the Hardingham Church (5 generations local). No knowledge of any actual Cushings in Hardingham but a trust called the Atkins and Cushen trust made a donation to the church within the last 100 years. Other than that, nothing. Its also a sad state of affairs to see one vicar covering 11 parish churches! Off to Norfolk Records office in 10 days time Best wishes

I have a will that is from John (Cushyn) Cushing, eldest son of John Cushing. Lord of the manors of Flockthorpe in his native place, Markhams in Tothington, and Stalworthy in Wymondham.He married, first, Alice daughter of Richard Clive of Hingham, and second Rose----- . His will is dated 13 March 1532, and was proved in the Prerogative Court, London, 11 May 1532.

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