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Pons FitzPons, speculative added generation French: Pons Clifford, speculative added generation Gender: Male Birth: after 1034 Normandy Death: after 1086 Immediate Family: Son of Pons FitzWilliam and Basilia Husband of Nn FitzPons Father of Walter FitzPons; Richard FitzPons; Simon FitzPons; Dru (Drogo) Walter FitzPontz and Osbern FitzWilliam Brother of Osbern FitzWilliam; Simon FitzWilliam; Walter FitzPons and Dru FitzPons Abouthistory This tree is very uncertain. It appears that perhaps there were two generations: Pons (I) and his son Pons (II) FitzPons. The parentage and origin of Pons I are not known. He probably died before 1066. The existence of a Pons II is more likely to bridge the missing generation and serve as father to the six FitzPons children many of whom are named in the Domesday Book: Walter, Drogo, RIchard, Simon, Osbern, and Hugh. This model adds a generation to Cawley's account, below. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3.htm#_Toc27... Chapter 27. CLIFFORD 1. PONS (-[before Oct 1066]). No information is known about Pons other than his name, which appears in the patronymics attributed to his five sons. It is assumed that he lived in Normandy. His absence from the Norman primary sources which have so far beenconsulted in the preparation of this document suggests that he was of lowly birth. His absence from English records suggests that he died before the Norman invasion in England in 1066. m ---. The name of Pons´s wife is not known. Pons & his wife had [six] children: a) WALTER FitzPons (-after 1085). Domesday Book records "Walter fitz Ponce" and "Drogo fitz Ponce" as holding manors in Oxfordshire, Berkshire, Wiltshire, Gloucestershire, Worcestershire and Herefordshire[1381]. b) DROGO (-after 1085). Domesday Book records "Walter fitz Ponce" and "Drogo fitz Ponce" as holding manors in Oxfordshire, Berkshire, Wiltshire, Gloucestershire, Worcestershire and Herefordshire[1382]. c) RICHARD FitzPons (-[1127/29]). "Ricardus filius Puncii" donated “ecclesiam de Lecha" to Great Malvern monastery, Worcestershire, for the soul of "uxoris meæ Mathildis et liberorum meorum…", by undated charter, witnessed by "Simon et Osbernus fratres mei…"[1383]. "…Ricardo filio Poncii…" witnessed the charter dated 1121 under which Henry I King of England confirmed the grant of "heredibus suis Herefordiam [parvam et] Ullingeswicam" to "Waltero de Gloec" by the bishop of Hereford[1384]. The charter datedto [10 Apr/29 May] 1121 which records the arrangements for the marriage of "Miloni de Gloec" and "Sibilia filia Beorndi de Novo Mercato" refers to land held by "Ric fil Pontii"[1385]. A charter dated to [1127] records that "Ricard Pontii filii" granted the manor of "Lechia" to "Mathildi uxori mee in matrimoniu" in exchange for her original marriage portion, the manor of Ullingswick in Herefordshire, which he gave to "Helie Giff in mat-monu cum filia mea Berta"[1386]. Richard presumably died before [1129]as he is not named in the [1129/30] Pipe Roll. Henry I King of England confirmed a donation to Llanthony priory which "Ricardus filius Pontii" had made with the consent of "Hugonis filii Pontii", by charter dated [1130][1387]. m MATILDA, daughter of [WALTER of Gloucester & his wife Berthe ---] (-after [1127]). A charter dated to [1127] records that "Ricard Pontii filii" granted the manor of "Lechia" to "Mathildi uxori mee in matrimoniu" in exchange for her original marriage portion, the manor of Ullingswick in Herefordshire, which he gave to "Helie Giff in mat-monu cum filia mea Berta"[1388]. Round indicates that this charter means that Matilda must have been the daughter of Walter of Gloucester, noting that Ullingswick was recorded in Domesday Book as belonging to the church of Hereford, and also that King Henry I confirmed its grant and that of Little Hereford by the bishop of Hereford to Walter of Gloucester by another charter[1389]. The fact that Matilda named two of her children after her supposed parents also indicates that this parentage is probably correct (although the name Walter was already used in the FitzPons family before Richard´s marriage). See below under the wife of her son Walter [I] for some further speculation about Matilda´s parentage, involving the Tosny family, which appears to be incorrect. "Ricardus filius Puncii" donated “ecclesiam de Lecha" to Great Malvern monastery, Worcestershire, for the soul of "uxoris meæ Mathildis et liberorum meorum…", by undated charter, witnessed by "Simon et Osbernus fratres mei…"[1390]. d) SIMON FitzPons (-after [1127]). "Ricardus filius Puncii" donated “ecclesiam de Lecha" to Great Malvern monastery, Worcestershire, for the soul of "uxoris meæ Mathildis et liberorum meorum…", by undated charter, witnessed by "Simon et Osbernus fratres mei…"[1396]. "…Symon Pontii filii, Osb fr eius…" witnessed the charter dated to [1127] which records that "Ricard Pontii filii" granted the manor of "Lechia" to "Mathildi uxori mee in matrimoniu" in exchange for her original marriage portion, the manor of Ullingswick in Herefordshire, which he gave to "Helie Giff in mat-monu cum filia mea Berta"[1397]. e) OSBERN FitzPons (-after 1129). "Osbern fitz Pontius" donated property to Pershore abbey by undated charter witnessed by "Hugh son of Osbern son of Richard, Turstin his brother"[1398]. "…Symon Pontii filii, Osb fr eius…" witnessed the charter dated to [1127] which records that "Ricard Pontii filii" granted the manor of "Lechia" to "Mathildi uxori mee in matrimoniu" in exchange for her original marriage portion, the manor of Ullingswick in Herefordshire, which he gave to "Helie Giff in mat-monu cum filiamea Berta"[1399]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Osbto dil Poinz" in Gloucestershire[1400]. m ---. The name of Osbern´s wife is not known. f) [HUGH FitzPons . Henry I King of England confirmed a donation to Llanthony priory which "Ricardus filius Pontii" had made with the consent of "Hugonis filii Pontii," by charter dated [1130][1402]. This is the only reference so far found to this supposed son of Pons named Hugh.] Served with King William "The Conqueror" of England in 1066. Immediate Family Showing 12 of 12 people Nn FitzPons wife Walter FitzPons son Richard FitzPons son Simon FitzPons son Dru (Drogo) Walter FitzPontz son Osbern FitzWilliam son Basilia mother Pons FitzWilliam father Osbern FitzWilliam brother Simon FitzWilliam brother Walter FitzPons brother Dru FitzPons brother

Pons FitzPons, speculative added generation
French: Pons Clifford, speculative added generation
Gender: Male
Birth: after 1034
Normandy
Death: after 1086
Immediate Family:
Son of Pons FitzWilliam and Basilia
Husband of Nn FitzPons
Father of Walter FitzPons; Richard FitzPons; Simon FitzPons; Dru (Drogo) Walter FitzPontz and Osbern FitzWilliam
Brother of Osbern FitzWilliam; Simon FitzWilliam; Walter FitzPons and Dru FitzPons

Abouthistory
This tree is very uncertain. It appears that perhaps there were two generations: Pons (I) and his son Pons (II) FitzPons.

The parentage and origin of Pons I are not known. He probably died before 1066. The existence of a Pons II is more likely to bridge the missing generation and serve as father to the six FitzPons children many of whom are named in the Domesday Book: Walter, Drogo, RIchard, Simon, Osbern, and Hugh.

This model adds a generation to Cawley's account, below.

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3.htm#_Toc27...

Chapter 27. CLIFFORD

1. PONS (-[before Oct 1066]). No information is known about Pons other than his name, which appears in the patronymics attributed to his five sons. It is assumed that he lived in Normandy. His absence from the Norman primary sources which have so far beenconsulted in the preparation of this document suggests that he was of lowly birth. His absence from English records suggests that he died before the Norman invasion in England in 1066. m ---. The name of Pons´s wife is not known. Pons & his wife had [six] children:

a) WALTER FitzPons (-after 1085). Domesday Book records "Walter fitz Ponce" and "Drogo fitz Ponce" as holding manors in Oxfordshire, Berkshire, Wiltshire, Gloucestershire, Worcestershire and Herefordshire[1381].

b) DROGO (-after 1085). Domesday Book records "Walter fitz Ponce" and "Drogo fitz Ponce" as holding manors in Oxfordshire, Berkshire, Wiltshire, Gloucestershire, Worcestershire and Herefordshire[1382].

c) RICHARD FitzPons (-[1127/29]). "Ricardus filius Puncii" donated “ecclesiam de Lecha" to Great Malvern monastery, Worcestershire, for the soul of "uxoris meæ Mathildis et liberorum meorum…", by undated charter, witnessed by "Simon et Osbernus fratres mei…"[1383]. "…Ricardo filio Poncii…" witnessed the charter dated 1121 under which Henry I King of England confirmed the grant of "heredibus suis Herefordiam [parvam et] Ullingeswicam" to "Waltero de Gloec" by the bishop of Hereford[1384]. The charter datedto [10 Apr/29 May] 1121 which records the arrangements for the marriage of "Miloni de Gloec" and "Sibilia filia Beorndi de Novo Mercato" refers to land held by "Ric fil Pontii"[1385]. A charter dated to [1127] records that "Ricard Pontii filii" granted the manor of "Lechia" to "Mathildi uxori mee in matrimoniu" in exchange for her original marriage portion, the manor of Ullingswick in Herefordshire, which he gave to "Helie Giff in mat-monu cum filia mea Berta"[1386]. Richard presumably died before [1129]as he is not named in the [1129/30] Pipe Roll. Henry I King of England confirmed a donation to Llanthony priory which "Ricardus filius Pontii" had made with the consent of "Hugonis filii Pontii", by charter dated [1130][1387]. m MATILDA, daughter of [WALTER of Gloucester & his wife Berthe ---] (-after [1127]). A charter dated to [1127] records that "Ricard Pontii filii" granted the manor of "Lechia" to "Mathildi uxori mee in matrimoniu" in exchange for her original marriage portion, the manor of Ullingswick in Herefordshire, which he gave to "Helie Giff in mat-monu cum filia mea Berta"[1388]. Round indicates that this charter means that Matilda must have been the daughter of Walter of Gloucester, noting that Ullingswick was recorded in Domesday Book as belonging to the church of Hereford, and also that King Henry I confirmed its grant and that of Little Hereford by the bishop of Hereford to Walter of Gloucester by another charter[1389]. The fact that Matilda named two of her children after her supposed parents also indicates that this parentage is probably correct (although the name Walter was already used in the FitzPons family before Richard´s marriage). See below under the wife of her son Walter [I] for some further speculation about Matilda´s parentage, involving the Tosny family, which appears to be incorrect. "Ricardus filius Puncii" donated “ecclesiam de Lecha" to Great Malvern monastery, Worcestershire, for the soul of "uxoris meæ Mathildis et liberorum meorum…", by undated charter, witnessed by "Simon et Osbernus fratres mei…"[1390].

d) SIMON FitzPons (-after [1127]). "Ricardus filius Puncii" donated “ecclesiam de Lecha" to Great Malvern monastery, Worcestershire, for the soul of "uxoris meæ Mathildis et liberorum meorum…", by undated charter, witnessed by "Simon et Osbernus fratres mei…"[1396]. "…Symon Pontii filii, Osb fr eius…" witnessed the charter dated to [1127] which records that "Ricard Pontii filii" granted the manor of "Lechia" to "Mathildi uxori mee in matrimoniu" in exchange for her original marriage portion, the manor of Ullingswick in Herefordshire, which he gave to "Helie Giff in mat-monu cum filia mea Berta"[1397].

e) OSBERN FitzPons (-after 1129). "Osbern fitz Pontius" donated property to Pershore abbey by undated charter witnessed by "Hugh son of Osbern son of Richard, Turstin his brother"[1398]. "…Symon Pontii filii, Osb fr eius…" witnessed the charter dated to [1127] which records that "Ricard Pontii filii" granted the manor of "Lechia" to "Mathildi uxori mee in matrimoniu" in exchange for her original marriage portion, the manor of Ullingswick in Herefordshire, which he gave to "Helie Giff in mat-monu cum filiamea Berta"[1399]. The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Osbto dil Poinz" in Gloucestershire[1400]. m ---. The name of Osbern´s wife is not known.

f) [HUGH FitzPons . Henry I King of England confirmed a donation to Llanthony priory which "Ricardus filius Pontii" had made with the consent of "Hugonis filii Pontii," by charter dated [1130][1402]. This is the only reference so far found to this supposed son of Pons named Hugh.]

Served with King William "The Conqueror" of England in 1066.

Immediate Family
Showing 12 of 12 people

Nn FitzPons
wife

Walter FitzPons
son

Richard FitzPons
son

Simon FitzPons
son

Dru (Drogo) Walter FitzPontz
son

Osbern FitzWilliam
son

Basilia
mother

Pons FitzWilliam
father

Osbern FitzWilliam
brother

Simon FitzWilliam
brother

Walter FitzPons
brother

Dru FitzPons
brother