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Source: SEIGNEURS d'ALENÇON (SEIGNEURS de BELLÊME)

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Titre	SEIGNEURS d'ALENÇON (SEIGNEURS de BELLÊME)

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1. FULCOIN . "Ivo" founded the chapel of l'Abbayette for the souls of "patris mei Fulconii et matris meæ Rothais" by charter dated 12 Oct 997[4]. m ROTHAIS, daughter of ---. "Ivo" founded the chapel of l'Abbayette, with the consent of "duarum…sororum mearum Billehendis atque Eremburgis…duorum avunculorum, Seinfredi episcopi et Guillelmi, atque cognatorum Guillelmi clerici, Roberti, Sutsardi, rursusque Guillelmi laïci", for the souls of "patris mei Fulconii et matris meæ Rothais" by charter dated 12 Oct 997[5]. If “avunculorum” in this charter can be interpreted in its strict sense of maternal uncles, Rothais, mother of the donor Ives, was the sister of the brothers Seinfred Bishop of Le Mans and Guillaume. Fulcoin & his wife had three children: a) IVES (-after 12 Oct 997). "Ivo" founded the chapel of l'Abbayette, with the consent of "duarum…sororum mearum Billehendis atque Eremburgis…duorum avunculorum, Seinfredi episcopi et Guillelmi, atque cognatorum Guillelmi clerici, Roberti, Sutsardi, rursusque Guillelmi laïci", for the souls of "patris mei Fulconii et matris meæ Rothais" by charter dated 12 Oct 997, witnessed by "Hugonis comitis, Radulfi vicecomitis"[6]. b) BILEHENDIS (-after 12 Oct 997). "Ivo" founded the chapel of l'Abbayette, with the consent of "duarum…sororum mearum Billehendis atque Eremburgis…" by charter dated 12 Oct 997[7]. c) EREMBURGIS (-after 12 Oct 997). "Ivo" founded the chapel of l'Abbayette, with the consent of "duarum…sororum mearum Billehendis atque Eremburgis…" by charter dated 12 Oct 997[8]. Depoin suggests that Eremburgis married Raoul [III] Vicomte du Maine (see the document MAINE & VENDÔME)[9]. This suggestion appears to be pure speculation. Given the many examples of quasi-hereditary episcopal appointments in the 10th/11th centuries (see for example the documents REIMS ARCHBISHOPRIC and TOURS ARCHBISHOPRIC), a close family relationship between the preceding family and the family of Ives Seigneur de Bellême is suggested because Ives de Bellême´s son Avesgaud succeeded Bishop Seinfrid, probable maternal uncle of Ives who founded l´Abbayette in 997, as bishop of Le Mans. This is supported by the Actus pontificum Cenomannis which records the installation of "Avesgaudus, nepos ipsius" as bishop of Le Mans after the death of "Segenfrido" (in [997])[10]. Assuming that Guillaume of Jumièges correctly reports the events involving Ives de Bellême, dated to [942/43], as quoted below, it appears unlikely that he was the same person as the founder of l´Abbayette: an adult career spanning more than fifty years appears improbable at that time. The chronology of the successive bishops of Le Mans also appears incompatible with Bishop Avesgaud having been the great-nephew of Bishop Seinfrid: - Bishop Seinfrid (born before [940/50]?), appointed as bishop in 971. - Bishop Avesgaud (born before [960/70]?), appointed in [997]. - Bishop Gervais (de Château-du-Loir, nephew of Bishop Avesgaud, born 1007), appointed as bishop in 1036. A more likely possibility is that the family relationship between Bishops Seinfrid and Avesgaud was through the female line: for example, from a chronological point of view, it would be possible for Godehildis, wife of Ives de Bellême, to have been the sister of Rothais, mother of Ives who founded l´Abbayette.

1. FULCOIN . "Ivo" founded the chapel of l'Abbayette for the souls of "patris mei Fulconii et matris meæ Rothais" by charter dated 12 Oct 997[4]. m ROTHAIS, daughter of ---. "Ivo" founded the chapel of l'Abbayette, with the consent of "duarum…sororum mearum Billehendis atque Eremburgis…duorum avunculorum, Seinfredi episcopi et Guillelmi, atque cognatorum Guillelmi clerici, Roberti, Sutsardi, rursusque Guillelmi laïci", for the souls of "patris mei Fulconii et matris meæ Rothais" by charter dated 12 Oct 997[5]. If “avunculorum” in this charter can be interpreted in its strict sense of maternal uncles, Rothais, mother of the donor Ives, was the sister of the brothers Seinfred Bishop of Le Mans and Guillaume. Fulcoin & his wife had three children:
a) IVES (-after 12 Oct 997). "Ivo" founded the chapel of l'Abbayette, with the consent of "duarum…sororum mearum Billehendis atque Eremburgis…duorum avunculorum, Seinfredi episcopi et Guillelmi, atque cognatorum Guillelmi clerici, Roberti, Sutsardi, rursusque Guillelmi laïci", for the souls of "patris mei Fulconii et matris meæ Rothais" by charter dated 12 Oct 997, witnessed by "Hugonis comitis, Radulfi vicecomitis"[6].
b) BILEHENDIS (-after 12 Oct 997). "Ivo" founded the chapel of l'Abbayette, with the consent of "duarum…sororum mearum Billehendis atque Eremburgis…" by charter dated 12 Oct 997[7].
c) EREMBURGIS (-after 12 Oct 997). "Ivo" founded the chapel of l'Abbayette, with the consent of "duarum…sororum mearum Billehendis atque Eremburgis…" by charter dated 12 Oct 997[8]. Depoin suggests that Eremburgis married Raoul [III] Vicomte du Maine (see the document MAINE & VENDÔME)[9]. This suggestion appears to be pure speculation.

Given the many examples of quasi-hereditary episcopal appointments in the 10th/11th centuries (see for example the documents REIMS ARCHBISHOPRIC and TOURS ARCHBISHOPRIC), a close family relationship between the preceding family and the family of Ives Seigneur de Bellême is suggested because Ives de Bellême´s son Avesgaud succeeded Bishop Seinfrid, probable maternal uncle of Ives who founded l´Abbayette in 997, as bishop of Le Mans. This is supported by the Actus pontificum Cenomannis which records the installation of "Avesgaudus, nepos ipsius" as bishop of Le Mans after the death of "Segenfrido" (in [997])[10]. Assuming that Guillaume of Jumièges correctly reports the events involving Ives de Bellême, dated to [942/43], as quoted below, it appears unlikely that he was the same person as the founder of l´Abbayette: an adult career spanning more than fifty years appears improbable at that time. The chronology of the successive bishops of Le Mans also appears incompatible with Bishop Avesgaud having been the great-nephew of Bishop Seinfrid:
- Bishop Seinfrid (born before [940/50]?), appointed as bishop in 971.
- Bishop Avesgaud (born before [960/70]?), appointed in [997].
- Bishop Gervais (de Château-du-Loir, nephew of Bishop Avesgaud, born 1007), appointed as bishop in 1036.
A more likely possibility is that the family relationship between Bishops Seinfrid and Avesgaud was through the female line: for example, from a chronological point of view, it would be possible for Godehildis, wife of Ives de Bellême, to have been the sister of Rothais, mother of Ives who founded l´Abbayette.