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Re: Smith Family of Westmoreland County PA By Georgina Trench October 02, 2006 at 06:36:19 In reply to: Smith Family of Westmoreland County PA Michael Rafferty 8/27/06 There really is a chance that this family is a branch related to other descendants in Kentucky of Ralph Smith of Milford House, County Tipperary c 1772 and these may be from that branch known as "the Tanner." They are probably descendants of William Smithdike for whom there are several theories, one of which identifies his father as a Smyth I think in London. He was probably b c 1490-1500 and another theory states that the names Smith and Dike used to be combined with a hyphen which later was dropped (theDykes were baronets in Sussex) but I feel the strongest theory identifies Smithdike with the Neville clan from the Wars of the Roses. There is the famous case of John of Carrington having to flee England in 1399 and change his name back to Smith before he could return. The spellings Smyth(e)-Smith could vary not only from one generation to the next but also within a person's lifetime and also Smiths were prone to switch back and forth among the surnames Smith, Carrington, and Neville. The yDNA project inEngland has the yDNA back to common Icelandic yDNA: Ecceard (Eccard) Smyth of Durham c 975. Sir Michael Carrington or Michael Smyth(e) was associated with the Templar order a hundred years after Ecceard and joined the 3rd crusade in 1187 as standard bearer to Richard I coeur de lion but at the siege of Acre in 1191 scaled the walls with four other men and opened the gates for which the king not only awarded him Ashton Hall and knighted him but took off his crown and placing it over Sir Michael's helm with the unicorn's head saying in Latin "His horn shall be exalted" from psalm 112 whence the family motto. The following seven generations of Smiths alternated between the names Smyth(e)-Smith and Carrington until, in the eighth generation, Sir John of Cressing Temple (a reference to his ggggggggrandfather's association with the Templars) married Mary Neville daughter of Thomas Neville of Haddon Hall and took the name Neville. Then in Leicestershire in 1554 another Mary Neville married Thomas Smyth(e) and though three of their sons: Clement, William, and Henry used the names Smith or Smyth, one son Thomas (1555-1636) alternated between Smith and Neville. The question of "Smythe or Neville" is one raised elsewhere in relation to the Smiths of Ireland: http://www.zipworld.com/au/~lnbdds/home/index.htmlhttp://www.zipworld.com/au/~lnbdds/home/index.html and even Captain John Smith associated with Princess Pocahontas was from the Smyths of Cuerdale. A member of this family was Grice Smyth's daughter, Penelope Caroline Smith, who fled to Gretna Green in 1836 to marry the Prince of Sicily son of the King of Naples, Prince Carlos Fernando Borbone (Bourbon) des Deux-Siciles Prince of Capua b Palermo 1811d Turin 1862 and had two children: Francesco di Borbone, Comte di Mascali 1837-1862 Vittoria di Borbone, Comtesse di Mascali 1838-1905 The head of this family is Judge Robert Staples Smyth of Gaybrook, Mullingar, County Westmeath in the parish of Rochfordbridge. Whether William Smithdike turns out to have been Sir Christopher Neville buying Rosedale Abbey for his son under a pseudonym will be a matter of speculation until the yDNA project turns up some solid evidence.

Re: Smith Family of Westmoreland County PA
By Georgina Trench October 02, 2006 at 06:36:19
In reply to: Smith Family of Westmoreland County PA
Michael Rafferty 8/27/06
There really is a chance that this family is a branch related to other descendants in Kentucky of Ralph Smith of Milford House, County Tipperary c 1772 and these may be from that branch known as "the Tanner." They are probably descendants of William Smithdike for whom there are several theories, one of which identifies his father as a Smyth I think in London. He was probably b c 1490-1500 and another theory states that the names Smith and Dike used to be combined with a hyphen which later was dropped (theDykes were baronets in Sussex) but I feel the strongest theory identifies Smithdike with the Neville clan from the Wars of the Roses. There is the famous case of John of Carrington having to flee England in 1399 and change his name back to Smith before he could return. The spellings Smyth(e)-Smith could vary not only from one generation to the next but also within a person's lifetime and also Smiths were prone to switch back and forth among the surnames Smith, Carrington, and Neville. The yDNA project inEngland has the yDNA back to common Icelandic yDNA: Ecceard (Eccard) Smyth of Durham c 975. Sir Michael Carrington or Michael Smyth(e) was associated with the Templar order a hundred years after Ecceard and joined the 3rd crusade in 1187 as standard bearer to Richard I coeur de lion but at the siege of Acre in 1191 scaled the walls with four other men and opened the gates for which the king not only awarded him Ashton Hall and knighted him but took off his crown and placing it over Sir Michael's helm with the unicorn's head saying in Latin "His horn shall be exalted" from psalm 112 whence the family motto. The following seven generations of Smiths alternated between the names Smyth(e)-Smith and Carrington until, in the eighth generation, Sir John of Cressing Temple (a reference to his ggggggggrandfather's association with the Templars) married Mary Neville daughter of Thomas Neville of Haddon Hall and took the name Neville. Then in Leicestershire in 1554 another Mary Neville married Thomas Smyth(e) and though three of their sons: Clement, William, and Henry used the names Smith or Smyth, one son Thomas (1555-1636) alternated between Smith and Neville. The question of "Smythe or Neville" is one raised elsewhere in relation to the Smiths of Ireland: http://www.zipworld.com/au/~lnbdds/home/index.htmlhttp://www.zipworld.com/au/~lnbdds/home/index.html and even Captain John Smith associated with Princess Pocahontas was from the Smyths of Cuerdale.
A member of this family was Grice Smyth's daughter, Penelope Caroline Smith, who fled to Gretna Green in 1836 to marry the Prince of Sicily son of the King of Naples, Prince Carlos Fernando Borbone (Bourbon) des Deux-Siciles Prince of Capua b Palermo 1811d Turin 1862 and had two children:
Francesco di Borbone, Comte di Mascali 1837-1862
Vittoria di Borbone, Comtesse di Mascali 1838-1905
The head of this family is Judge Robert Staples Smyth of Gaybrook, Mullingar, County Westmeath in the parish of Rochfordbridge.
Whether William Smithdike turns out to have been Sir Christopher Neville buying Rosedale Abbey for his son under a pseudonym will be a matter of speculation until the yDNA project turns up some solid evidence.