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GILBERT FitzRichard de Clare 2nd Lord of Clare HP04

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GILBERT FitzRichard de Clare (-1114 or 1117). Guillaume of Jumièges names “Richardum strenuissimum militem” as the son of “comes Gislebertus filius Godefridus comitis”, adding that he donated property to Bec with “filii eius Gislebertus, Rogerius, Walterius, Rodbertus”[1527]. Orderic Vitalis names “Rogerium et Gislebertum, Gualterium et Rodbertum atque Ricardum” as the children of “Gisleberti comitis [filium] Ricardum” and his wife “Roaldem Gualterii Gifardi filiam”[1528]. He succeeded his father in [1090] as Lord of Clare and Tonbridge. During the rebellion of 1089 against King William II, he was besieged in Tonbridge by the king, but wounded and forced to surrender[1529]. Lord of Cardigan 1110. “Gilebertus Ricardi filius et Adeliza uxor sua” granted part of tolls from “Tonebrugie” and “decimam de Escaldeford” to Lewes St. Pancras by charter dated to [1105/17], witnessed by “Waltero fratre eiusdem Gilberti...Guncell[in]o Gosmari filio, Humfri[d]o fratre eius, Picoto et Willelmo fratre eius, Engelranno de Abernun, Willelmo de Watevill”[1530]. Salzman dated this charter to [1110], but garbled the witness list (“Walter brother of the same Gilbert...Gunsell[in], Gosmar son of Humfrey his brother, Picot and William his brother, Engelran de Abert’, William de Wateuill”)[1531]. Stephen King of England confirmed donations to Lewes St. Pancras, including “in Suthreia...decimam de Scaldefort” donated by “Gillebertus filius Ricardi”, by undated charter[1532]. "Comes Ricardus filius comitis Gisleberti" confirmed donations of property to Saint-Victor-en-Caux by "Radulfus de Vuaterivilla et Ansuuidus apud Bosunvillam", with the consent of "Rogerii filii Ricardi et comitis Gisleberti patris mei", by undated charter (a copy of which is attached to a late-12th century transcription of a charter under which Hugh de Mortimer confirmed donations to the monastery), witnessed by "Herveio de Monte Morenci…"[1533]. The Annales Cambriæ record the death in 1117 of "Gilebertus filius Ricardi"[1534]. [m firstly ---. No direct evidence has been found concerning this possible first marriage. However, the Liber Vitæ of Thorney abbey lists "…Gilebt fili[us] Ricardi, Ricard fili[us] eius…Aaliz uxor Gilbti filii Ricardi, Comes Gilbt, Galteri…filii sui…"[1535]. The differentiation between "eius" and "sui" in the two parts of this text suggests that Richard, oldest son of Gilbert, may have been born from an earlier marriage of his father, otherwise unrecorded, although it is true that the passage as a whole appears to be designed as a list of Adelisa’s relatives and household.] m [secondly] as her first husband, ADELISA de Clermont, daughter of HUGUES Comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis & his wife Marguerite de Ramerupt. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Giselbertus” married “filia comitis de Claromonte”[1536]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to a sister of "comes Rainaldus" as husband of "Gillebertus, filius Richardi Anglici"[1537]. “Adeliz, uxor Gilberti filii Ricardi, et Gillebertus et Walterus et Baldewinus et Rohaisia pueri Gilberti” donated property “quod Tovi dedit…et in Randa…quas Turgisius tenebat” to Thorney Monastery, by undated charter witnessed by “Gilberto filio Gilberti, Galterio, Hervæo, Baldwino fratribus eius et Rohaisia sorore eorum”[1538]. "Hadalaidis filia Hugonis de Claromonte…uxor Gisleberti de Anglia" founded an anniversary at Saint-Leu d’Esserent, like the anniversaries of "patris sui Hugonis et matris sue Margarite", by undated charter[1539]. “Gilebertus Ricardi filius et Adeliza uxor sua” granted part of tolls from “Tonebrugie” and “decimam de Escaldeford” to Lewes St. Pancras by charter dated to [1105/17][1540]. She married secondly (after [1114/17]) [as his third wife, Bouchard [III] Seigneur] de Montmorency. Her second marriage into the Montmorency family is confirmed by the charter dated under which Robert Bishop of Lincoln confirms previous donations to Thorney, including one by “Adelidæ de Montemoraci” of “…terræ in Randa quas Turgisius tenuit et Toui prius dederat”[1541], which clearly refers back to the earlier charter quoted above. The precise identity of Adelisa’s second husband has not yet been confirmed. According to Duchesne, Adelisa’s second husband was Hervé, son of Bouchard [III] Seigneur de Montmorency and his second wife, but he cites no primary source on which this statement is based[1542]. As noted in the document PARIS REGION NOBILITY, the first marriage of Mathieu [I] de Montmorency, who would have been Hervé’s older half-brother born from their father’s first marriage, is dated to [1126]. This suggests the birth of Mathieu [I] in [1095/1105]. If that estimated date range is correct, any half-brothers born from his father’s second marriage would probably have been too young to have married Adelisa. In addition, given Adelisa’s prominent family background and first marriage, it is unlikely that her second husband would have been the younger son of the seigneur de Montmorency. As Adelisa had several children by her first husband, she would have been considerably older than her second husband if he had been a younger son of Bouchard [III]. A more likely case is that Adelisa’s second husband was Bouchard [III] himself, whose age and position would have been more appropriate for the marriage. This is supported by the Liber Vitæ of Thorney abbey which lists "…Gilebt fili[us] Ricardi…Burchardus de Muntmorenci…Aaliz uxor Gilbti filii Ricardi…", suggested by Keats-Rohan as Adelisa and her two husbands[1543]. A charter in the Stoke-by-Clare Priory Cartulary includes the reference "Rogerus coms Clar’ Aelicie de Clermunt ave sue..."[1544]. Gilbert & his [first/second] wife had one child: a) RICHARD FitzGilbert de Clare (-killed in battle near Abergavenny 15 Apr 1136, bur Gloucester). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Richardum qui ei successit et Gislebertum et Walterium et unam filiam...Rohais” as the children of “Gislebertus ex filia comitis de Claromonte”[1545]. The Liber Vitæ of Thorney abbey lists "…Gilebt fili[us] Ricardi, Ricard fili[us] eius…Aaliz uxor Gilbti filii Ricardi, Comes Gilbt, Galteri…filii sui…"[1546]. The differentiation between "eius" and "sui" in the two partsof this text suggests that Richard may have been born from an earlier marriage of his father, otherwise unrecorded, although it is true that the passage as a whole appears to be designed as a list of Adelisa’s relatives and household. He succeeded his father as Lord of Clare. Gilbert & his [second] wife had seven children: b) GILBERT "Strongbow" de Clare ([1100][1547]-[1148/49], bur Tintern Abbey). c) WALTER de Clare . d) BALDWIN FitzGilbert de Clare (-[1154]). e) ROHESE de Clare (-before 1166). f) MARGARET de Clare (-1189). g) AVICE de Clare . h) ADELISA de Clare ([1090/95]-1163).

GILBERT FitzRichard de Clare (-1114 or 1117). Guillaume of Jumièges names “Richardum strenuissimum militem” as the son of “comes Gislebertus filius Godefridus comitis”, adding that he donated property to Bec with “filii eius Gislebertus, Rogerius, Walterius, Rodbertus”[1527]. Orderic Vitalis names “Rogerium et Gislebertum, Gualterium et Rodbertum atque Ricardum” as the children of “Gisleberti comitis [filium] Ricardum” and his wife “Roaldem Gualterii Gifardi filiam”[1528]. He succeeded his father in [1090] as Lord of Clare and Tonbridge. During the rebellion of 1089 against King William II, he was besieged in Tonbridge by the king, but wounded and forced to surrender[1529]. Lord of Cardigan 1110. “Gilebertus Ricardi filius et Adeliza uxor sua” granted part of tolls from “Tonebrugie” and “decimam de Escaldeford” to Lewes St. Pancras by charter dated to [1105/17], witnessed by “Waltero fratre eiusdem Gilberti...Guncell[in]o Gosmari filio, Humfri[d]o fratre eius, Picoto et Willelmo fratre eius, Engelranno de Abernun, Willelmo de Watevill”[1530]. Salzman dated this charter to [1110], but garbled the witness list (“Walter brother of the same Gilbert...Gunsell[in], Gosmar son of Humfrey his brother, Picot and William his brother, Engelran de Abert’, William de Wateuill”)[1531]. Stephen King of England confirmed donations to Lewes St. Pancras, including “in Suthreia...decimam de Scaldefort” donated by “Gillebertus filius Ricardi”, by undated charter[1532]. "Comes Ricardus filius comitis Gisleberti" confirmed donations of property to Saint-Victor-en-Caux by "Radulfus de Vuaterivilla et Ansuuidus apud Bosunvillam", with the consent of "Rogerii filii Ricardi et comitis Gisleberti patris mei", by undated charter (a copy of which is attached to a late-12th century transcription of a charter under which Hugh de Mortimer confirmed donations to the monastery), witnessed by "Herveio de Monte Morenci…"[1533]. The Annales Cambriæ record the death in 1117 of "Gilebertus filius Ricardi"[1534]. [m firstly ---. No direct evidence has been found concerning this possible first marriage. However, the Liber Vitæ of Thorney abbey lists "…Gilebt fili[us] Ricardi, Ricard fili[us] eius…Aaliz uxor Gilbti filii Ricardi, Comes Gilbt, Galteri…filii sui…"[1535]. The differentiation between "eius" and "sui" in the two parts of this text suggests that Richard, oldest son of Gilbert, may have been born from an earlier marriage of his father, otherwise unrecorded, although it is true that the passage as a whole appears to be designed as a list of Adelisa’s relatives and household.] m [secondly] as her first husband, ADELISA de Clermont, daughter of HUGUES Comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis & his wife Marguerite de Ramerupt. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Giselbertus” married “filia comitis de Claromonte”[1536]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis refers to a sister of "comes Rainaldus" as husband of "Gillebertus, filius Richardi Anglici"[1537]. “Adeliz, uxor Gilberti filii Ricardi, et Gillebertus et Walterus et Baldewinus et Rohaisia pueri Gilberti” donated property “quod Tovi dedit…et in Randa…quas Turgisius tenebat” to Thorney Monastery, by undated charter witnessed by “Gilberto filio Gilberti, Galterio, Hervæo, Baldwino fratribus eius et Rohaisia sorore eorum”[1538]. "Hadalaidis filia Hugonis de Claromonte…uxor Gisleberti de Anglia" founded an anniversary at Saint-Leu d’Esserent, like the anniversaries of "patris sui Hugonis et matris sue Margarite", by undated charter[1539]. “Gilebertus Ricardi filius et Adeliza uxor sua” granted part of tolls from “Tonebrugie” and “decimam de Escaldeford” to Lewes St. Pancras by charter dated to [1105/17][1540]. She married secondly (after [1114/17]) [as his third wife, Bouchard [III] Seigneur] de Montmorency. Her second marriage into the Montmorency family is confirmed by the charter dated under which Robert Bishop of Lincoln confirms previous donations to Thorney, including one by “Adelidæ de Montemoraci” of “…terræ in Randa quas Turgisius tenuit et Toui prius dederat”[1541], which clearly refers back to the earlier charter quoted above. The precise identity of Adelisa’s second husband has not yet been confirmed. According to Duchesne, Adelisa’s second husband was Hervé, son of Bouchard [III] Seigneur de Montmorency and his second wife, but he cites no primary source on which this statement is based[1542]. As noted in the document PARIS REGION NOBILITY, the first marriage of Mathieu [I] de Montmorency, who would have been Hervé’s older half-brother born from their father’s first marriage, is dated to [1126]. This suggests the birth of Mathieu [I] in [1095/1105]. If that estimated date range is correct, any half-brothers born from his father’s second marriage would probably have been too young to have married Adelisa. In addition, given Adelisa’s prominent family background and first marriage, it is unlikely that her second husband would have been the younger son of the seigneur de Montmorency. As Adelisa had several children by her first husband, she would have been considerably older than her second husband if he had been a younger son of Bouchard [III]. A more likely case is that Adelisa’s second husband was Bouchard [III] himself, whose age and position would have been more appropriate for the marriage. This is supported by the Liber Vitæ of Thorney abbey which lists "…Gilebt fili[us] Ricardi…Burchardus de Muntmorenci…Aaliz uxor Gilbti filii Ricardi…", suggested by Keats-Rohan as Adelisa and her two husbands[1543]. A charter in the Stoke-by-Clare Priory Cartulary includes the reference "Rogerus coms Clar’ Aelicie de Clermunt ave sue..."[1544]. Gilbert & his [first/second] wife had one child:

a) RICHARD FitzGilbert de Clare (-killed in battle near Abergavenny 15 Apr 1136, bur Gloucester). Guillaume de Jumièges names "Richardum qui ei successit et Gislebertum et Walterium et unam filiam...Rohais” as the children of “Gislebertus ex filia comitis de Claromonte”[1545]. The Liber Vitæ of Thorney abbey lists "…Gilebt fili[us] Ricardi, Ricard fili[us] eius…Aaliz uxor Gilbti filii Ricardi, Comes Gilbt, Galteri…filii sui…"[1546]. The differentiation between "eius" and "sui" in the two partsof this text suggests that Richard may have been born from an earlier marriage of his father, otherwise unrecorded, although it is true that the passage as a whole appears to be designed as a list of Adelisa’s relatives and household. He succeeded his father as Lord of Clare.

Gilbert & his [second] wife had seven children:

b) GILBERT "Strongbow" de Clare ([1100][1547]-[1148/49], bur Tintern Abbey).
c) WALTER de Clare .
d) BALDWIN FitzGilbert de Clare (-[1154]).
e) ROHESE de Clare (-before 1166).
f) MARGARET de Clare (-1189).
g) AVICE de Clare .
h) ADELISA de Clare ([1090/95]-1163).