Généalogie and Heritage

Source: Foundation for Medieval Genealogy

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WALTER "Vexin" Gautier de Gouy I, Count of Amiens, Valois and the Vexin KFO1

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GAUTHIER [I] ([before 925]-after 987). Two possible parentages of Gauthier [I] have been suggested. Firstly, Edouard de Saint-Phalle suggests that he was Gauthier, son of Raoul [I] Comte [d'Ostrevent][3]. This possible parentage is also shown in Europäische Stammtafeln[4]. The primary source which suggests that this might be the case has not been identified. The second possibility is that he was the same person as Gauthier Comte de Dreux: the editor of the compilation of Chartres charters suggests that "Walterius…comitis Waleranni filius" (Gauthier Comte de Dreux) inherited "comes Velcassinus" (Vexin) from his father, and "Ambianensis" (Amiens) from "matre autem Eldegarde" (acquiring Dreux from his wife's family)[5]. The primary sources on which this information is based have not been identified. However, two facts suggest that this second hypothesis may be correct. Firstly, Gauthier Comte de Dreux is also recorded with a wife named Eva (although the necrology entries quoted here and in PARIS REGION NOBILITY (Comtes de Dreux) suggest that there were two countesses of that name at the time). Secondly, the castle of Mantes, occupied by the descendants of Gauthier Comte d'Amiens, was near Dreux. One possible resolution of the problem is signposted by Seversmith who states that Gauthier [I] was the son of "Raoul de Gouy" whose wife he names "Eldearde"[6]. As will be seen above, the wife of Waleran, supposed father of Gauthier [I] under the second possible case, is named "Eldegardis". If Seversmith is correct, it is possible that Eldegardis married firstly Raoul [I] Comte [d’Ostrevant] and secondly Gauthier Comte de Dreux, and that Gauthier [I] was the son of her first marriage. It should be noted that the charter dated to before 967 under which Eldegardis made a donation for the soul of her husband Waleran, with the consent of "Walterio comite filio meo", does not specify that Gauthier was Waleran’s son[7], although the omission of an earlier husband from the document would be surprising if that husband had been Gauthier’s father. "Wauterii comitis, Walterii et Radulfi filiorum eius" subscribed a charter dated 975 under which "Hugo Francorum dux" restored the abbey of Saint-Jean to the abbey of Sainte-Croix d'Orléans[8]. Comte d'Amiens. A charter of "Hugo…Francorum rex" confirming the privileges of the monastery of Corvey dated 987 is subscribed by "Walteri comitis Ambianensis ac filiorum eius Walteri, Gotfredi, Rodulfi"[9]. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Germain-des-Prés records the death "XIX Kal Feb" of "Gualterii comitis"[10]. m firstly EVA, daughter of --- (-[19 Jan or 23 Nov] ----). “Aeva” donated “alodum...Fulloni Campum et Mansum Roberti in villa Ludolmis in pago Castrinse” to Saint-Germain-des-Prés, for the souls of “meæ...senioris mei Walterii”, by undated charter[11]. The necrology of the abbey of Sainte-Colombe records the death "XIV Kal Feb" of "Eve comitisse"[12]. m secondly ADELA, daughter of ---. A list of members of the Cathedral of Paris lists (in order) "…Walterius comes, Adela comitissa…"[13]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[14], she was Adela d'Anjou, daughter of Foulques [I] "le Roux" Comte d'Anjou & his wife Roscilla [de Loches] (after 909-). The primary source on which this is based has not been identified; it is possible that it is speculative, based on one of her sons being named Foulques. Comte Gauthier [I] & his [first/second] wife had five children: a) GAUTHIER [II] "le Blanc" (-after 1017). A charter of "Hugo…Francorum rex" confirming the privileges of the monastery of Corvey dated 987 is subscribed by "Walteri comitis Ambianensis ac filiorum eius Walteri, Gotfredi, Rodulfi"[15]. Comte d'Amiens et du Vexin. - see below. b) RAOUL . "Wauterii comitis, Walterii et Radulfi filiorum eius" subscribed a charter dated 975 under which "Hugo Francorum dux" restored the abbey of Saint-Jean to the abbey of Sainte-Croix d'Orléans[16]. A charter of "Hugo…Francorum rex" confirming the privileges of the monastery of Corvey dated 987 is subscribed by "Walteri comitis Ambianensis ac filiorum eius Walteri, Gotfredi, Rodulfi"[17]. c) GUY (-[995]). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not been identified. Bishop of Soissons [970]. Adalberon Archbishop of Reims founded abbatia Mosomagensis by charter dated 972, subscribed by “Wido Suessionensis ecclesiæ episcopus...”[18]. "...Widonis Suessionensis episcopi..." subscribed the charter dated 987 under which Hugues King of France issued orders at the request of “Mangaudus ex monasterio Corbeiæ”[19]. d) GODEFROY . A charter of "Hugo…Francorum rex" confirming the privileges of the monastery of Corvey dated 987 is subscribed by "Walteri comitis Ambianensis ac filiorum eius Walteri, Gotfredi, Rodulfi"[20]. e) FOULQUES . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not been identified. same person as...? FOULQUES (-[1030]). Bishop of Amiens [993]. According to Gallia Christiana, Bishop Foulques was “Galterii comitis Ambianorum...ex Aleide Crespeia natu minor” (no primary source cited)[21]. “...Fulco Ambianensis episcopus...” subscribed the charter dated to [1008] under which Robert II King of France confirmed donations to Saint-Denis[22].

GAUTHIER [I] ([before 925]-after 987). Two possible parentages of Gauthier [I] have been suggested. Firstly, Edouard de Saint-Phalle suggests that he was Gauthier, son of Raoul [I] Comte [d'Ostrevent][3]. This possible parentage is also shown in Europäische Stammtafeln[4]. The primary source which suggests that this might be the case has not been identified. The second possibility is that he was the same person as Gauthier Comte de Dreux: the editor of the compilation of Chartres charters suggests that "Walterius…comitis Waleranni filius" (Gauthier Comte de Dreux) inherited "comes Velcassinus" (Vexin) from his father, and "Ambianensis" (Amiens) from "matre autem Eldegarde" (acquiring Dreux from his wife's family)[5]. The primary sources on which this information is based have not been identified.

However, two facts suggest that this second hypothesis may be correct. Firstly, Gauthier Comte de Dreux is also recorded with a wife named Eva (although the necrology entries quoted here and in PARIS REGION NOBILITY (Comtes de Dreux) suggest that there were two countesses of that name at the time). Secondly, the castle of Mantes, occupied by the descendants of Gauthier Comte d'Amiens, was near Dreux. One possible resolution of the problem is signposted by Seversmith who states that Gauthier [I] was the son of "Raoul de Gouy" whose wife he names "Eldearde"[6].

As will be seen above, the wife of Waleran, supposed father of Gauthier [I] under the second possible case, is named "Eldegardis". If Seversmith is correct, it is possible that Eldegardis married firstly Raoul [I] Comte [d’Ostrevant] and secondly Gauthier Comte de Dreux, and that Gauthier [I] was the son of her first marriage. It should be noted that the charter dated to before 967 under which Eldegardis made a donation for the soul of her husband Waleran, with the consent of "Walterio comite filio meo", does not specify that Gauthier was Waleran’s son[7], although the omission of an earlier husband from the document would be surprising if that husband had been Gauthier’s father. "Wauterii comitis, Walterii et Radulfi filiorum eius" subscribed a charter dated 975 under which "Hugo Francorum dux" restored the abbey of Saint-Jean to the abbey of Sainte-Croix d'Orléans[8]. Comte d'Amiens. A charter of "Hugo…Francorum rex" confirming the privileges of the monastery of Corvey dated 987 is subscribed by "Walteri comitis Ambianensis ac filiorum eius Walteri, Gotfredi, Rodulfi"[9]. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Germain-des-Prés records the death "XIX Kal Feb" of "Gualterii comitis"[10]. m firstly EVA, daughter of --- (-[19 Jan or 23 Nov] ----). “Aeva” donated “alodum...Fulloni Campum et Mansum Roberti in villa Ludolmis in pago Castrinse” to Saint-Germain-des-Prés, for the souls of “meæ...senioris mei Walterii”, by undated charter[11]. The necrology of the abbey of Sainte-Colombe records the death "XIV Kal Feb" of "Eve comitisse"[12].

m secondly ADELA, daughter of ---. A list of members of the Cathedral of Paris lists (in order) "…Walterius comes, Adela comitissa…"[13]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln[14], she was Adela d'Anjou, daughter of Foulques [I] "le Roux" Comte d'Anjou & his wife Roscilla [de Loches] (after 909-). The primary source on which this is based has not been identified; it is possible that it is speculative, based on one of her sons being named Foulques.

Comte Gauthier [I] & his [first/second] wife had five children:

a) GAUTHIER [II] "le Blanc" (-after 1017). A charter of "Hugo…Francorum rex" confirming the privileges of the monastery of Corvey dated 987 is subscribed by "Walteri comitis Ambianensis ac filiorum eius Walteri, Gotfredi, Rodulfi"[15]. Comte d'Amiens et du Vexin.
- see below.

b) RAOUL . "Wauterii comitis, Walterii et Radulfi filiorum eius" subscribed a charter dated 975 under which "Hugo Francorum dux" restored the abbey of Saint-Jean to the abbey of Sainte-Croix d'Orléans[16]. A charter of "Hugo…Francorum rex" confirming the privileges of the monastery of Corvey dated 987 is subscribed by "Walteri comitis Ambianensis ac filiorum eius Walteri, Gotfredi, Rodulfi"[17].

c) GUY (-[995]). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not been identified. Bishop of Soissons [970]. Adalberon Archbishop of Reims founded abbatia Mosomagensis by charter dated 972, subscribed by “Wido Suessionensis ecclesiæ episcopus...”[18]. "...Widonis Suessionensis episcopi..." subscribed the charter dated 987 under which Hugues King of France issued orders at the request of “Mangaudus ex monasterio Corbeiæ”[19].

d) GODEFROY . A charter of "Hugo…Francorum rex" confirming the privileges of the monastery of Corvey dated 987 is subscribed by "Walteri comitis Ambianensis ac filiorum eius Walteri, Gotfredi, Rodulfi"[20].

e) FOULQUES . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not been identified. same person as...? FOULQUES (-[1030]). Bishop of Amiens [993]. According to Gallia Christiana, Bishop Foulques was “Galterii comitis Ambianorum...ex Aleide Crespeia natu minor” (no primary source cited)[21]. “...Fulco Ambianensis episcopus...” subscribed the charter dated to [1008] under which Robert II King of France confirmed donations to Saint-Denis[22].