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Source: Rethel

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Type	Valeur
Titre	Rethel

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HUGUES de Rethel, son of MANASSES [III] Comte de Rethel & his wife Judith --- ([1045/55]-28 Dec [1118]). A charter dated 26 Sep 1081 records the restoration of privileges granted by “Manasses Regitestensis comes”, with the consent of “uxore Judiz et venerabili Hugone filio”, to the chapter of Braux[204]. His birth date range is estimated from the probable birth date range of his son Baudouin. He succeeded his father in [1081] as Comte de Rethel. A charter dated 1094 records absolution granted to "comitem Hugonem", with the consent of "filius eius comitis Manasses"[205]. “Hugo comes et Milesindis collateralis” donated mills “super Axonam fluvium ante Rettestum” to Laon Saint-Vincent, with the consent of “filio nostro Manasse”, by charter dated 1097[206]. "Registensium comes Hugo" donated property to "ecclesie…Marie de Noveyo" by charter dated 1117[207]. The necrology of Reims Saint-Rémi records the death "V Kal Jan" of "Hugo comes Regiteste"[208]. m (before 1075[209]) MELISENDE de Montlhéry, daughter of GUY "le Grand" Seigneur de Montlhéry & his wife Hodierne de Gometz-La Ferté. The Historia of Monk Aimon names "Milonem de Brayo et Guidonem Rubeum, Comitissam quoque Reiteste, et Bonam-vecinam de Pontibus, Elizabeth etiam uxorem Joscelini de Corteciniaco, insuper dominam de Puisat, et dominam de S. Galerico" as the children of "Guidonem" and his wife[210]. She is named as wife of Hugues Comte de Rethel by William of Tyre, although he does not specify her origin[211]. In a later passage he records that the mother of Joscelin de Courtenay Count of Edessa was the sister of the mother of Baudouin de Bourg, later Baudouin II King of Jerusalem, according to the testimony of her granddaughter concerningthe consanguinity between Amaury I King of Jerusalem and his first wife which provided the basis for the annulment of their marriage in 1162[212]. “Hugo comes et Milesindis collateralis” donated mills “super Axonam fluvium ante Rettestum” to Laon Saint-Vincent, with the consent of “filio nostro Manasse”, by charter dated 1097[213]. Comte Hugues & his wife had [seven] children: 1. MANASSES de Rethel (-before 1115). A charter dated 1094 records absolution granted to "comitem Hugonem", with the consent of "filius eius comitis Manasses"[214]. William of Tyre names "Manasses" as younger brother of Baudouin who inherited Rethel from their father because his older brother was overseas but died childless[215]. It appears more likely that Manassès was the oldest brother, named after his paternal grandfather. No evidence has been found in the primary sources so far consulted that he survived his father and succeeded as comte de Rethel, apart from the reference in William of Tyre who specifies that his brother Gervais, who had been elected archbishop of Reims, resigned in order to marry after the death of his brother[216]. “Hugo comes et Milesindis collateralis” donated mills “super Axonam fluvium ante Rettestum” to Laon Saint-Vincent, with the consent of “filio nostro Manasse”, by charter dated 1097[217]. A charter dated 1115 records absolution granted to "Manasses filius Hugonis comitis" and "eo…mortuo" to "Gervasius frater eiusdem"[218]. 2. GERVAIS de Rethel (-before 1124). He is named as brother of Baudouin II King of Jerusalem by William of Tyre, specifying that he was later elected archbishop of Reims, but resigned after the death of his brother in order to marry, and had a single daughter[219]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records in 1108 that the election of "Gervasii filii comitis Hugonis Reitestensis" was annulled and "Radulfum prepositum" ordained "in Remensem archiepiscopum"[220]. He succeeded his fatheras Comte de Rethel. A charter dated 1115 records absolution granted to "Manasses filius Hugonis comitis" and "eo…mortuo" to "Gervasius frater eiusdem"[221]. m ([1120/22]) as her first husband, ELISABETH de Namur, daughter of GODEFROY I Comte de Namur &his first wife Sibylle de Château-Porcien. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Elizabeth filiam comitis Godefridi Namucensis" as wife of "frater…Balduini de Burgo Gervasius" (recording that he resigned as archbishop of Reims and married),specifying that her mother was "Sibilla filia comitis Rogeri Porcensis", and recording her second marriage with "Clarembaldus de Roseto" and their children "Raynaldum…Rogerum..episcopus Laudunensis…et sorores eius…Aeliz de Cimeco, altera Alfelisia que exnobili viro Philippo de Altaripa genuit Mathildem quam habuit Windus Doiscenus [Doische, Namur, Philippeville?] et de Erpens [Erpent, Namur?]"[222]. The Chronicon Hanoniense refers to the two sisters of "Alidem…Godefridi comitis Namurcensis et Ermesendis comitisse filiam" as "una [uxor] dominus de Roseto, alia [uxor] domino de Spinoit", in a later passage clarifying that the two sisters were daughters of "Henrici comitis" by his first wife[223]. She married secondly (before 1129) Clarembaud Seigneur deRozoy. Comte Gervais & his wife had one child: a) MELISENDE de Rethel ([1121/23]-after 1154). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that [her stepfather] "Clarenbaldus de Roseto" alienated the lands of “filiastram suam Gervasii filiam” and married her to "cuidam nobili Roberto Marmioni de Normannia", without giving her name[224]. The Complete Peerage names her “Elizabeth” and identifies her husband as Robert Marmion [IV] without citing any primary source on which it bases this statement[225]. From a chronological point of view, it is more likely that the husband of Gervais de Rethel’s daughter was Robert Marmion [III], considering especially that Robert [III]’s wife had three known children by her second husband whom she married after Robert died in [1143/44]. If that is correct, other sources confirm that Robert [III]’s wife was named Mélisende, not Elisabeth, presumably after her paternal grandmother. A charter dated to [1200], recounting the history of a donation of land to Eynsham abbey, records that King [Henry I] granted “Stantonam [cum] quadam femina” to “Roberto Marmiun”, and that “post Robertum Marmiun” the king granted “predictam Milisent” to “Ricardo de Kamuilla”[226]. Domesday Descendants refers to the second marriage of Mélisende, whom it calls “a kinswoman of Queen Adelicia”[227]. The Victoria County History of Oxfordshire states that the queen “before 1141...gave to her kinswoman Millicent, wife of Robert Marmion, land in Stanton Harcourt and South Leigh...”, without citing the corresponding primary source[228]. White Kennett quotes the charter under which “A...regina” granted “manerium meum de Stanton” in four parts to Reading convent, to the Knights Templars, to “Milisendi cognatæ meæ uxori Roberti Marmium”, and to “Willielmo de Harestactu”, undated[229].In light of the previous information, her second marriage is indicated by the charter dated 1154 under which Henry Duke of Normandy [the future King Henry II] confirmed Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire to "Milicenti uxori Ricardi de Camvilla in feodo et hereditate sibi…sicut regina Adelisia…in maritagium dedit" by charter dated 1154[230]. “Ricardus de Camvilla” donated “terciam partem decimarum...apud Hottoth” to Jumièges, for the souls of “uxoris mee Adelicie et sequentis uxoris mee Milesente...Rogeri fratris mei”, by charter dated [5 Apr 1170/27 Mar 1171], subscribed by “Ricardi filii mei...”[231]. "Philippus de Marmiun filius et hæres Roberti le Marmiun" recalls the donation of “Buteyate” to Bardney made by “Robertus Marmiun…et Milesent uxor mea et Robertus filius meus” by charter dated Jun 1248[232]. m firstly ROBERT Marmion [III], son of ROGER Marmion & his wife --- (-killed in battle [1143/44]). m secondly (after [1143/44]) as his second wife, RICHARD [I] de Camville, son of --- de Camville & hiswife [--- de Vere] (-Apulia 1176).

HUGUES de Rethel, son of MANASSES [III] Comte de Rethel & his wife Judith --- ([1045/55]-28 Dec [1118]). A charter dated 26 Sep 1081 records the restoration of privileges granted by “Manasses Regitestensis comes”, with the consent of “uxore Judiz et venerabili Hugone filio”, to the chapter of Braux[204]. His birth date range is estimated from the probable birth date range of his son Baudouin. He succeeded his father in [1081] as Comte de Rethel. A charter dated 1094 records absolution granted to "comitem Hugonem", with the consent of "filius eius comitis Manasses"[205]. “Hugo comes et Milesindis collateralis” donated mills “super Axonam fluvium ante Rettestum” to Laon Saint-Vincent, with the consent of “filio nostro Manasse”, by charter dated 1097[206]. "Registensium comes Hugo" donated property to "ecclesie…Marie de Noveyo" by charter dated 1117[207]. The necrology of Reims Saint-Rémi records the death "V Kal Jan" of "Hugo comes Regiteste"[208].
m (before 1075[209]) MELISENDE de Montlhéry, daughter of GUY "le Grand" Seigneur de Montlhéry & his wife Hodierne de Gometz-La Ferté. The Historia of Monk Aimon names "Milonem de Brayo et Guidonem Rubeum, Comitissam quoque Reiteste, et Bonam-vecinam de Pontibus, Elizabeth etiam uxorem Joscelini de Corteciniaco, insuper dominam de Puisat, et dominam de S. Galerico" as the children of "Guidonem" and his wife[210]. She is named as wife of Hugues Comte de Rethel by William of Tyre, although he does not specify her origin[211]. In a later passage he records that the mother of Joscelin de Courtenay Count of Edessa was the sister of the mother of Baudouin de Bourg, later Baudouin II King of Jerusalem, according to the testimony of her granddaughter concerningthe consanguinity between Amaury I King of Jerusalem and his first wife which provided the basis for the annulment of their marriage in 1162[212]. “Hugo comes et Milesindis collateralis” donated mills “super Axonam fluvium ante Rettestum” to Laon Saint-Vincent, with the consent of “filio nostro Manasse”, by charter dated 1097[213].
Comte Hugues & his wife had [seven] children:
1. MANASSES de Rethel (-before 1115). A charter dated 1094 records absolution granted to "comitem Hugonem", with the consent of "filius eius comitis Manasses"[214]. William of Tyre names "Manasses" as younger brother of Baudouin who inherited Rethel from their father because his older brother was overseas but died childless[215]. It appears more likely that Manassès was the oldest brother, named after his paternal grandfather. No evidence has been found in the primary sources so far consulted that he survived his father and succeeded as comte de Rethel, apart from the reference in William of Tyre who specifies that his brother Gervais, who had been elected archbishop of Reims, resigned in order to marry after the death of his brother[216]. “Hugo comes et Milesindis collateralis” donated mills “super Axonam fluvium ante Rettestum” to Laon Saint-Vincent, with the consent of “filio nostro Manasse”, by charter dated 1097[217]. A charter dated 1115 records absolution granted to "Manasses filius Hugonis comitis" and "eo…mortuo" to "Gervasius frater eiusdem"[218].
2. GERVAIS de Rethel (-before 1124). He is named as brother of Baudouin II King of Jerusalem by William of Tyre, specifying that he was later elected archbishop of Reims, but resigned after the death of his brother in order to marry, and had a single daughter[219]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records in 1108 that the election of "Gervasii filii comitis Hugonis Reitestensis" was annulled and "Radulfum prepositum" ordained "in Remensem archiepiscopum"[220]. He succeeded his fatheras Comte de Rethel. A charter dated 1115 records absolution granted to "Manasses filius Hugonis comitis" and "eo…mortuo" to "Gervasius frater eiusdem"[221]. m ([1120/22]) as her first husband, ELISABETH de Namur, daughter of GODEFROY I Comte de Namur &his first wife Sibylle de Château-Porcien. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Elizabeth filiam comitis Godefridi Namucensis" as wife of "frater…Balduini de Burgo Gervasius" (recording that he resigned as archbishop of Reims and married),specifying that her mother was "Sibilla filia comitis Rogeri Porcensis", and recording her second marriage with "Clarembaldus de Roseto" and their children "Raynaldum…Rogerum..episcopus Laudunensis…et sorores eius…Aeliz de Cimeco, altera Alfelisia que exnobili viro Philippo de Altaripa genuit Mathildem quam habuit Windus Doiscenus [Doische, Namur, Philippeville?] et de Erpens [Erpent, Namur?]"[222]. The Chronicon Hanoniense refers to the two sisters of "Alidem…Godefridi comitis Namurcensis et Ermesendis comitisse filiam" as "una [uxor] dominus de Roseto, alia [uxor] domino de Spinoit", in a later passage clarifying that the two sisters were daughters of "Henrici comitis" by his first wife[223]. She married secondly (before 1129) Clarembaud Seigneur deRozoy. Comte Gervais & his wife had one child:
a) MELISENDE de Rethel ([1121/23]-after 1154). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that [her stepfather] "Clarenbaldus de Roseto" alienated the lands of “filiastram suam Gervasii filiam” and married her to "cuidam nobili Roberto Marmioni de Normannia", without giving her name[224]. The Complete Peerage names her “Elizabeth” and identifies her husband as Robert Marmion [IV] without citing any primary source on which it bases this statement[225]. From a chronological point of view, it is more likely that the husband of Gervais de Rethel’s daughter was Robert Marmion [III], considering especially that Robert [III]’s wife had three known children by her second husband whom she married after Robert died in [1143/44]. If that is correct, other sources confirm that Robert [III]’s wife was named Mélisende, not Elisabeth, presumably after her paternal grandmother. A charter dated to [1200], recounting the history of a donation of land to Eynsham abbey, records that King [Henry I] granted “Stantonam [cum] quadam femina” to “Roberto Marmiun”, and that “post Robertum Marmiun” the king granted “predictam Milisent” to “Ricardo de Kamuilla”[226]. Domesday Descendants refers to the second marriage of Mélisende, whom it calls “a kinswoman of Queen Adelicia”[227]. The Victoria County History of Oxfordshire states that the queen “before 1141...gave to her kinswoman Millicent, wife of Robert Marmion, land in Stanton Harcourt and South Leigh...”, without citing the corresponding primary source[228]. White Kennett quotes the charter under which “A...regina” granted “manerium meum de Stanton” in four parts to Reading convent, to the Knights Templars, to “Milisendi cognatæ meæ uxori Roberti Marmium”, and to “Willielmo de Harestactu”, undated[229].In light of the previous information, her second marriage is indicated by the charter dated 1154 under which Henry Duke of Normandy [the future King Henry II] confirmed Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire to "Milicenti uxori Ricardi de Camvilla in feodo et hereditate sibi…sicut regina Adelisia…in maritagium dedit" by charter dated 1154[230]. “Ricardus de Camvilla” donated “terciam partem decimarum...apud Hottoth” to Jumièges, for the souls of “uxoris mee Adelicie et sequentis uxoris mee Milesente...Rogeri fratris mei”, by charter dated [5 Apr 1170/27 Mar 1171], subscribed by “Ricardi filii mei...”[231]. "Philippus de Marmiun filius et hæres Roberti le Marmiun" recalls the donation of “Buteyate” to Bardney made by “Robertus Marmiun…et Milesent uxor mea et Robertus filius meus” by charter dated Jun 1248[232]. m firstly ROBERT Marmion [III], son of ROGER Marmion & his wife --- (-killed in battle [1143/44]). m secondly (after [1143/44]) as his second wife, RICHARD [I] de Camville, son of --- de Camville & hiswife [--- de Vere] (-Apulia 1176).