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GUILLAUME II Talvas De Belleme Seigneur D'Alençon (Bellême)

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GUILLAUME [II] "Talvas" de Bellême (-after [1050/54]). Guillaume of Jumièges names “Warinum et Fulconem, Robertum et Willelmum” as the four sons of “Willelmus Belesmensis, Yvonis filius...ex castro Alentio quod beneficio tenebat iure”, who was “crudelis et cupidus” as were all his sons[50]. "Guillelmus de Belismo" founded the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême by charter dated to [1023/27][51]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus Talvacius frater eius” succeeded after “Robertus Willelmi Belesmensis potestatis hæres et crudelitatis” was killed, adding that he was worse than his brothers in his crimes (“cunctis fratribus suis in omnibus flagitiis deterior fuit”)[52]. Seigneur d'Alençon. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus cognomentoTalavatius” succeeded “Roberti fratris sui” with the help particularly of “Willelmi filii Geroii”[53]. "…Willelmus filius Guillelmi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1042] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy donated "nostras insulas Serc et Aurrene, propter medietatem Grenere" to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel, supported by "Rannulfo filio Anschitilli"[54]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Willermus cognomento Talavicius Willermi Belesmensis filius” invited Guillaume Giroie to his marriage, where hewas blinded, emasculated, and his ears cut off[55]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Arnulfus...filius eius” [referring to Guillaume [II] “Talvas”] rebelled against his father whom he expelled and sent into exile[56]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus Talavatius”, after he was exiled, arranged the marriage of “filiam suam...Mabiliam” to “Rogerium de Monte-Gummeri” who received him in his household[57]. m firstly HILDEBURGE, daughter of ARNOUL & his wife ---. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus cognomento Talavatius” married “Hildeburge...filiam Arnulfi” by whom he had “Arnulfum et Mabiliam” and whom he had strangled “a duobus parasitis”[58]. m secondly ---, daughter of RAOUL [IV] Vicomte du Maine & his first wife Emma de Montevrault Dame de Lude. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus cognomento Talavatius” married secondly “filiam Rodulfi vicecomitis de Bellomonte”[59]. Guillaume [II] & his first wife had two children: a) ARNOUL de Bellême (-murdered). Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus cognomento Talavatius” married “Hildeburge...filiam Arnulfi” by whom he had “Arnulfum et Mabiliam” and whom he had strangled “a duobus parasitis”[60]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Arnulfus...filius eius” [referring to Guillaume [II] “Talvas”] rebelled against his father whom he expelled and sent into exile, but was later strangled in his bed[61]. b) MABILE (-murdered Bures 2 Dec 1079, bur 5 Dec 1079 Troarn). Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus cognomento Talavatius” married “Hildeburge...filiam Arnulfi” by whom he had “Arnulfum et Mabiliam” and whom he had strangled “a duobus parasitis”[62]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Ivo filius Willermi Belesmensis...neptem...Mabiliam” married "Rogerius de Monte-Gomerici Oximensium vicecomes" who through her obtained "magnam partem possessionis Willermi Belesmensis", adding that Mabile was "a forceful and worldly woman, cunning, garrulous and extremely cruel" (“potens et sæcularis, callida et loquax, nimiumque crudelis”)[63]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus Talavatius”, after he was exiled, arranged the marriage of “filiam suam...Mabiliam” to “Rogerium de Monte-Gummeri” who received him in his household[64]. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][65]. Orderic Vitalis records that she was murdered by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert "de Jalgeio" from whom she had taken his castle, who found her "relaxing in bed after a bath [and] struck off her head with his sword"[66]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[67]. m ([1050/54]) ROGER [II] de Montgommery, son of ROGER [I] de Montgommery Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline --- (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey). Seigneur d'Alençon. He was created Earl of Shrewsbury in 1074. Guillaume [II] had one illegitimate child by an unknown mistress: c) OLIVIER de Mesle (-after 28 May 1053). Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Arnulfus...filius eius” [referring to Guillaume [II] “Talvas”] rebelled against his father whom he expelled and sent into exile, but was later strangled in his bed, itbeing suspected that he was killed “ab Olivaro germano suo”[68]. It is assumed that he was illegitimate as the same source in another passage names the two children of Guillaume [II] by his first wife. Ives Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[69]. A later charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[70]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln,he left descendants known as "Oison"[71], but the primary source which confirms this statement has not yet been identified. Notes: [51] Marmoutier-Perche, 2, p. 5, the commentary on p. 8 stating that "l’authenticité de cette charte a été très contestée". [52] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VI, VII, p. 260. [53] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, X, p. 271. [54] Delisle (1867), Pièces justificatives, 17, p. 19. [55] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, II, p. 15. [56] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XII, p. 273. [57] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XIII, p. 274. [58] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, X, p. 271. [59] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, X, p. 271. [60] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, X, p. 271. [61] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XII, p. 273. [62] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, X, p. 271. [63] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Book III, p. 49. [64] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XIII, p. 274. [65] Marmoutier-Perche, 1, p. 4. [66] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. III, Book V, p. 137. [67] Round (1899), 465, p. 165. [68] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XII, p. 273. [69] Cartulaire de Saint-Vincent du Mans no. 545, cited in Motey (1920), pp. 217-8. [70] Cartulaire de Saint-Vincent du Mans no. 548, cited in Motey (1920), p. 218. [71] ES III 636.

GUILLAUME [II] "Talvas" de Bellême (-after [1050/54]). Guillaume of Jumièges names “Warinum et Fulconem, Robertum et Willelmum” as the four sons of “Willelmus Belesmensis, Yvonis filius...ex castro Alentio quod beneficio tenebat iure”, who was “crudelis et cupidus” as were all his sons[50]. "Guillelmus de Belismo" founded the church of Saint-Léonard de Bellême by charter dated to [1023/27][51]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus Talvacius frater eius” succeeded after “Robertus Willelmi Belesmensis potestatis hæres et crudelitatis” was killed, adding that he was worse than his brothers in his crimes (“cunctis fratribus suis in omnibus flagitiis deterior fuit”)[52]. Seigneur d'Alençon. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus cognomentoTalavatius” succeeded “Roberti fratris sui” with the help particularly of “Willelmi filii Geroii”[53]. "…Willelmus filius Guillelmi…" witnessed the charter dated to [1042] under which Guillaume II Duke of Normandy donated "nostras insulas Serc et Aurrene, propter medietatem Grenere" to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel, supported by "Rannulfo filio Anschitilli"[54]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Willermus cognomento Talavicius Willermi Belesmensis filius” invited Guillaume Giroie to his marriage, where hewas blinded, emasculated, and his ears cut off[55]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Arnulfus...filius eius” [referring to Guillaume [II] “Talvas”] rebelled against his father whom he expelled and sent into exile[56]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus Talavatius”, after he was exiled, arranged the marriage of “filiam suam...Mabiliam” to “Rogerium de Monte-Gummeri” who received him in his household[57]. m firstly HILDEBURGE, daughter of ARNOUL & his wife ---. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus cognomento Talavatius” married “Hildeburge...filiam Arnulfi” by whom he had “Arnulfum et Mabiliam” and whom he had strangled “a duobus parasitis”[58]. m secondly ---, daughter of RAOUL [IV] Vicomte du Maine & his first wife Emma de Montevrault Dame de Lude. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus cognomento Talavatius” married secondly “filiam Rodulfi vicecomitis de Bellomonte”[59]. Guillaume [II] & his first wife had two children:

a) ARNOUL de Bellême (-murdered). Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus cognomento Talavatius” married “Hildeburge...filiam Arnulfi” by whom he had “Arnulfum et Mabiliam” and whom he had strangled “a duobus parasitis”[60]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Arnulfus...filius eius” [referring to Guillaume [II] “Talvas”] rebelled against his father whom he expelled and sent into exile, but was later strangled in his bed[61].

b) MABILE (-murdered Bures 2 Dec 1079, bur 5 Dec 1079 Troarn). Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus cognomento Talavatius” married “Hildeburge...filiam Arnulfi” by whom he had “Arnulfum et Mabiliam” and whom he had strangled “a duobus parasitis”[62]. Orderic Vitalis records that “Ivo filius Willermi Belesmensis...neptem...Mabiliam” married "Rogerius de Monte-Gomerici Oximensium vicecomes" who through her obtained "magnam partem possessionis Willermi Belesmensis", adding that Mabile was "a forceful and worldly woman, cunning, garrulous and extremely cruel" (“potens et sæcularis, callida et loquax, nimiumque crudelis”)[63]. Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Willelmus Talavatius”, after he was exiled, arranged the marriage of “filiam suam...Mabiliam” to “Rogerium de Monte-Gummeri” who received him in his household[64]. "Rogerius comes…et sua uxor Mabilia atque suus filius Rotbertus" donated property to Notre-Dame de Bellême by charter dated to [1070/79][65]. Orderic Vitalis records that she was murdered by Hugh Bunel, son of Robert "de Jalgeio" from whom she had taken his castle, who found her "relaxing in bed after a bath [and] struck off her head with his sword"[66]. "Roger ex Northmannis Northmannus son of Roger" donated property to St Martin, Troarn for the soul of "his wife Mabel lately deceased" by charter dated to [1079/82], subscribed by "Rogerii comitis, Rotberti filii eius, Hugonis, Rogerii, Philippi, Arnulfis [filiorum eius]"[67]. m ([1050/54]) ROGER [II] de Montgommery, son of ROGER [I] de Montgommery Seigneur de Montgommery and Vicomte de l'Hiémois & his wife Josceline --- (-Shrewsbury 27 Jul 1094, bur Shrewsbury Abbey). Seigneur d'Alençon. He was created Earl of Shrewsbury in 1074.

Guillaume [II] had one illegitimate child by an unknown mistress:

c) OLIVIER de Mesle (-after 28 May 1053). Guillaume of Jumièges records that “Arnulfus...filius eius” [referring to Guillaume [II] “Talvas”] rebelled against his father whom he expelled and sent into exile, but was later strangled in his bed, itbeing suspected that he was killed “ab Olivaro germano suo”[68]. It is assumed that he was illegitimate as the same source in another passage names the two children of Guillaume [II] by his first wife. Ives Bishop of Sées confirmed the sale of the church of Courgains, with the consent of "fratre episcopi Willelmo, et Oliverio et Warino et Rodulfo episcopi nepotibus", by charter dated 28 May 1053[69]. A later charter of Abbé Avesgaud summarises the sale, stating that it was made with the consent of "episcopi Sagiensis, Ivonis nomine, et Willelmi fratris predicti Sagiensis episcopi…etiam Warino et Willelmo filiis Roberti, Olivario Willelmi filio, Radulfi filio Warini, et Seginfredo filio Willelmi de Bellisimo"[70]. According to Europäische Stammtafeln,he left descendants known as "Oison"[71], but the primary source which confirms this statement has not yet been identified.

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[51] Marmoutier-Perche, 2, p. 5, the commentary on p. 8 stating that "l’authenticité de cette charte a été très contestée".
[52] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VI, VII, p. 260.
[53] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, X, p. 271.
[54] Delisle (1867), Pièces justificatives, 17, p. 19.
[55] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, II, p. 15.
[56] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XII, p. 273.
[57] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XIII, p. 274.
[58] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, X, p. 271.
[59] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, X, p. 271.
[60] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, X, p. 271.
[61] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XII, p. 273.
[62] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, X, p. 271.
[63] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Book III, p. 49.
[64] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XIII, p. 274.
[65] Marmoutier-Perche, 1, p. 4.
[66] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. III, Book V, p. 137.
[67] Round (1899), 465, p. 165.
[68] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XII, p. 273.
[69] Cartulaire de Saint-Vincent du Mans no. 545, cited in Motey (1920), pp. 217-8.
[70] Cartulaire de Saint-Vincent du Mans no. 548, cited in Motey (1920), p. 218.
[71] ES III 636.