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Source: unnamed daughter (not Helena) possibly of Ricard "LeBon", is said to have married Waleran de Saint-Clair

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Titre	unnamed daughter (not Helena) possibly of Ricard "LeBon", is said to have married Waleran de Saint-Clair

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Personnes
HELENE de Normandie

Texte


The Secrets of Rosslyn (2012), n.p. by Roland William Saint-Clair, The Saint-Clairs of the Isles

Notes


unnamed daughter (not Helena) possibly of Ricard "LeBon", is said to have married Waleran de Saint-Clair From: (Burke's Extinct Peerages (1866) ). This was later changed however: The Sinclairs themselves are direct descendants of Waleran and his spouse IS NAMED by Roland William Saint-Clair, The Saint-Clairs of the Isles (1898) She was ALSO Named as Helena St. Clair by Roddy Martine, who says she was a daughter of the 4th duke (Richard II) and wife of her cousin Walderne St. Clair. (The Secrets of Rosslyn (2012), n.p.) She is sometimes called “le Bon” from the name of her supposed father, but not the same person as the Helena who is said to be mother of Hubert Huse. However she IS NAMED by Roland William Saint-Clair, The Saint-Clairs of the Isles and was also Named as Helena St. Clair by Roddy Martine, who says she was a daughter of the 4th duke (Richard II) and wife of her cousin Walderne St. Clair. (The Secrets of Rosslyn (2012), n.p.) http://www.geni.com/discussions/143600?msg=991030 ==== About history An unnamed daughter (not Helena) of 'Richard II "the Good", Duke of Normandy Duke Richard II] or Duke Richard III is said to have married Waleran de Saint-Clair (Burke's Extinct Peerages (1866) ). She is sometimes called “le Bon” from the name of her supposed father, Richard II. She is not the same person as the Helena who is said to be mother of Hubert Huse. Summary No contemporary evidence of her or her husband. Named as Helena in Burke's Extinct Peerages, but dropped from later publications by Burke. Named by Roland William Saint-Clair, The Saint-Clairs of the Isles (1898) Named as Helena St. Clair by Roddy Martine, who says she was a daughter of the 4th duke (Richard II) and wife of her cousin Walderne St. Clair. (The Secrets of Rosslyn (2012), n.p.) Not mentioned as a daughter of Richard II or Richard III at MedLands. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY.htm#RichardIIdied1026B Not mentioned as a daughter of Richard II by Stewart Baldwin and Todd Farmerie at The Henry Project. There is no entry here for Richard III. http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/richa001.htm Mentioned as a fake by expert Todd Farmerie at SGM (May 17, 2007). https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/soc.genealogy.medieval/79Or6W... Geni discussion. --- Wife of Waldron St. Clair (Clare) DOCUMENTATION WANTED! Please post. Some people list Helen as the daughter of Richard III, Duke of Normandy and Adèle, but there are no sources found to support that Richard had another daughter. Others list Helen as the daughter of Richard's unnamed mistress and thus as half sister to his illegitimate daughter Alix. http://gw.geneanet.org/loic15?lang=fr;iz=33667;p=helene;n=de+normandie http://www.geni.com/discussions/143600?msg=991030

unnamed daughter (not Helena) possibly of Ricard "LeBon", is said to have married Waleran de Saint-Clair From: (Burke's Extinct Peerages (1866) ).
This was later changed however: The Sinclairs themselves are direct descendants of Waleran and his spouse IS NAMED by Roland William Saint-Clair, The Saint-Clairs of the Isles (1898)
She was ALSO Named as Helena St. Clair by Roddy Martine, who says she was a daughter of the 4th duke (Richard II) and wife of her cousin Walderne St. Clair. (The Secrets of Rosslyn (2012), n.p.)

She is sometimes called “le Bon” from the name of her supposed father, but not the same person as the Helena who is said to be mother of Hubert Huse.
However she IS NAMED by Roland William Saint-Clair, The Saint-Clairs of the Isles
and was also Named as Helena St. Clair by Roddy Martine, who says she was a daughter of the 4th duke (Richard II) and wife of her cousin Walderne St. Clair. (The Secrets of Rosslyn (2012), n.p.)

http://www.geni.com/discussions/143600?msg=991030

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About
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An unnamed daughter (not Helena) of 'Richard II "the Good", Duke of Normandy Duke Richard II] or Duke Richard III is said to have married Waleran de Saint-Clair (Burke's Extinct Peerages (1866) ). She is sometimes called “le Bon” from the name of her supposed father, Richard II. She is not the same person as the Helena who is said to be mother of Hubert Huse.
Summary

No contemporary evidence of her or her husband.
Named as Helena in Burke's Extinct Peerages, but dropped from later publications by Burke.
Named by Roland William Saint-Clair, The Saint-Clairs of the Isles (1898)
Named as Helena St. Clair by Roddy Martine, who says she was a daughter of the 4th duke (Richard II) and wife of her cousin Walderne St. Clair. (The Secrets of Rosslyn (2012), n.p.)
Not mentioned as a daughter of Richard II or Richard III at MedLands. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY.htm#RichardIIdied1026B
Not mentioned as a daughter of Richard II by Stewart Baldwin and Todd Farmerie at The Henry Project. There is no entry here for Richard III. http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/richa001.htm
Mentioned as a fake by expert Todd Farmerie at SGM (May 17, 2007). https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/soc.genealogy.medieval/79Or6W...
Geni discussion.

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Wife of Waldron St. Clair (Clare)

DOCUMENTATION WANTED!

Please post.

Some people list Helen as the daughter of Richard III, Duke of Normandy and Adèle, but there are no sources found to support that Richard had another daughter.

Others list Helen as the daughter of Richard's unnamed mistress and thus as half sister to his illegitimate daughter Alix.

http://gw.geneanet.org/loic15?lang=fr;iz=33667;p=helene;n=de+normandie

http://www.geni.com/discussions/143600?msg=991030